keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.. He allows those who do not repent to choose freely to go to hell. Anon and Carebear, Like the time you found out at the last minute you would have to deploy to Iraq for a year or the time someone told you the towers were gone and you did not believe them. I keep coming back to this thread to see whatll happen next, because it just gets crazier and crazier. And how can I be forgiven my sins if I havent dwelt on them, considered them, determined why I committed them, and resolved to repent? lied. Ask yourself a question: have you seriously engaged the study of Scripture, so that you have basic, foundational hermeneutical principles clearly in your thinking? Contact. Youve accuse Esau of lying and/or intentionally being fallacious. Romans 14:13 is clear: Why on earth should we read Whites book in addition to Scripture? Sorry, Im not dead set on assuming the conclusion that they were wrong when I dont find them wrong in the first place. Id non faciam, definitum est. foxfier, And I was directly responding to the content of your post, to correct it. Mary is correct that if you had posted something specific, it would be easy to copy and paste, just as Ive done with your comments. CareBear: Instead of a change of mind (which is Biblical), the new perversions Neener, neener is taunting. That doesnt mean you need to be rude to all the rest of us. Zack and his growing family absolutely love the elders, deacons, and everyone at Apologia. That is the data I have used for analysis, nothing more. In this context, it is a weak connection that can be made between Catholic bloggers and Moslem radicals, at best, and an insulting connection, at worst, given the number of christians, both Catholic and Protestants, who are dying by the sword in the Middle East. Theo. Since Mr White is apparently reading everything with his name on it, & since he has no combox (probably a wise move, considering what I feel like posting there): I have been reading these anti-protestant posts and have been unwilling to dive into the murk, because all I am seeing are hundreds of little barbs, some less well disguised than others, directed at the person, character, intellect, education, motivation, etc., of one non-Catholic guy. A guy with a pointy hat Im Because I dont really think its worth the time. Here is a man, White, who sought and received doctoral credentials from an institution that is not regionally accredited and has none of the attributes one associates with excellence in theological research. Thus far Ive given you a run for your money so far as these pictures have been concerned, so youd probably get on that instead of just ignoring the facts and presuming to be angry. More information Greek Latin Roots - by james.r.hendricks.390 - Memrise More like this More like this Dont try to dillute the issue Im debating by attempting to attribute to me other debates or issues Im not involved with or attempting to defend. No, I was saving them seats. If so, why??? Jimmy asked for a discussion of the pictures and I, for one, have done so, however cursory. I mean Islamic fundementalist do not follow the Quran only, in fact there is only one group that I know of that follow the Quran only, and that is a peaceful group called the submitters. Sandy, Short answer, because Christ Himself gave the Church authority. Is this attempted humor time or context bound? Krautoid. of Mapname.com customer 3 (pre-feeds begin 30 minutes or so before start of program). I began co-authoring We had a number of audio difficulties at the start but eventually we were able to limp through. This is all just incredibly sad. You have said multiple times (quoting Dr. White) that God would divinely reveal the Canon. It was nice not to have to run a words you cant say in 2021 in the US filter today as we were not live streaming on YouTube. Its because they are the ones chosen by the ones chosen by the ones chosen (etc) by Christ. They are compromised and pulling on the same rope as the Devil. Apparently you dont understand what it means to make a category error. I follow the Bishops, because they are the successors to the Apostles (IOW, I believe in Apostolic succession, which, BTW, is in the Bible). I did look at Whites website. I would like to know why you find it more unreasonable to go to the disciple of the disciple of the one chosen by Christ himself Hes mean, mean I tell you. Box 1545 Chandler, AZ 85244, Designed and kept nice and tidy by Hello I'm Tim, Partnered WithApologia Studios || Action For Life || End Abortion Now || Red State Reform, Designed by Elegant Themes | Powered by WordPress, God graciously saved Zack at the age of 18 and hes been committed to serving the local church since day 1. And, every Christian, by definition of them being a Christian, would admit to being a liar. And, every Christian, by definition of them being a Christian, would admit to being a liar. This does not mean that White does not know anything. Will you in turn address one of my issues? 2. Here, you will be able to see that both the symbols for alpha and omega are inked using curved lines and dots, along with some solid black shading. 1) Believe in secret, private revelation. Carebear, When I have my employees in office, my goal is to address fully, the items on the agenda. Heres some advice on that matter: Do not conform yourselves to this age but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and pleasing and perfect.. Foxfire, my mistake. I got sick of reading the comments about half way through. Perhaps you are not pleased at the entire point of this post and of the previous one isnt the topic you want, but its rather childish to show up and insist that it means weve all lost it and that Jimmy is trying to deceive or misdirect everyone? I will not claim that 2a. As Zack was pastoring in the summer 2012, he was awakened to the abortion holocaust and has never been the same since. As it stands, canon as a product of tradition has been destroyed. http://aomin.org/index.php?itemid=2185&catid=7, courtesy Philip Pullmans interview with Third Way Magazine, http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap050200.htm, http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/08/amazing-simply-.html, http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/08/james-white-has.html#c79351988, http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2004/10/forgiveness_rev.html, http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0309bt.asp. A humor killer is an attempt at humor that defeats itself by using contextual elements that are horrific or defeats the ability of an audience to access certain areas of mental space safely. Re: Posted by: LJ | Aug 11, 2007 12:29:25 AM Who would know better what the Apostles actually taught about the Teachings of Jesus Christ? discipleship. Like a crazed archer scattering firebrands and deadly arrows How many authoritarian Catholics riot in the streets when the pope is savaged in political cartoons, as he is on a regular basis? The registrant organization is Mapname.com and they are based in Riverside, California. This does not mean that White does not know anything. I found Whites rant about the crusades in his most recent blog entry interesting. If indeed Grace poured out via the Holy Spirit, completely independent from Church Tradition and Ecclesiastical Action, was the arbiter involved in the discernment of Gods infallible Canon, wouldnt the documentation and history surrounding the council bear witness to this? If you had taken the time to examine CareBears comments, you would see that he is judging James Whites innocence merely on the basis of this one post of Jimmy Akin alone. Until he does, however, it is simply silly of us to even engage in discussion with him or with any of you who think that those pictures are defensible. If there were genuine principles involved here then Jimmy would sanction a distancing from James White and Mark Shea but we know that Jimmys boss is bankrolling publication of some upcoming books from the very same Mark Shea. I have a fuzzy memory, but I seem to recall that Akin did just that a few internet feet above where we dialogue now. Second, if someone is BOTH unprincipled AND incompetent, and White is both, then it might well be a moral obligation not to treat such a man as if he were reasonable. You are not in a position to offer any sort of informed criticism. nothing wrong with that Why not just say, God did it, since to attribute Gods work to mans work is unbiblical. But if it is legitimate to say that God used the distinctive personalities and historical circumstances of these figures to communicate his truth, then something can be both 100% Gods doing and human beings cooperate. Re: the photo mentioned above that Dave Armstrong posted; he apologized for it and replaced it. If White really thought he had done something wrong, he would apologize, because Ive seen him do it with the Caner Debate Debacle. Third, it actually produces a queasy feeling in my gut when I spend a couple of hours trying to put together a good, meaningful post, that expresses legitimate disappointment in the theocracy (definitely a theocracy) promoted by Rome, only to have it thrown off as utter nonsense. It seems like the lady doth protest too much, methinks. Instead of responding with an example of when you thought Jimmy misdirected, your response was uhm I did post at least one specific theological question that White was asking. Do you see the difference? And I think his analogy to jihad is an apropos means of expressing it. Putting out a pad of paper for people to share their thoughts with one another is not the same as being willing to be cross-examined. Under current religious and political climates, it is reasonable to assume (and a fairly easy experiment to do to prove) that the context of his pictures could upset the sensitivites of many people, religious and non-religious, and so, in general, using them would not be his most effective means of communicating his frustration. This was one of the hardest parts for me in my conversion. Box 5121 Im new at this blog. In Numbers 21:4-9, the people complained and died when snakes bit them. I mean he basically says that the only reason the Church doesnt kill their opponents today is because it doesnt have a strong political stronghold, implying that the church would murder if it did. He apparently typed it into the form after having paid money from his wallet with deliberate intent that it would forward to that address. My understanding is that God forgives us always, but a lack of repentance on our part would keep us separated from Him. In this tattoo, the freemasonry sign is the centrepiece with the alpha and omega signs on either side of it. prophets in Acts 15:1 were not saved. When one happens upon a URL that leads direcrtly to Catholic Answers, what is one to assume? A Jesuit will respond to a charge of killing three men and a dog by producing a live dog. Im assuming that Catholic Answers is a little obsessive, as I already stated. Godwins Law is limited to comparisons with Nazis and Hitler. Mary Kay, The win is by forfeiture, which is unsatisfying to everyone because it means that no one benefits from new insights from either side. It is good to be lumped in with the passionate people for once. Esau, Jimmy on the other hand is just plain good person. It was a deeply stupid comparison which says more about Whites mindset than it does about the Beckwith thread(s). If were going to play that game though, please prove to me James White was aware that the pictures would yield said results and that he didnt post them in jest, as on that premise rests all the argument of your wolf criers and alarm monkies. Appeals to emotion dont suit you well. If strong language to rebuke a sinner is uncharitable, we have a little problem here. I mean as far as the level of charity goes, things can only go up from here, am I wrong? A humorist is a person who writes or performs humorous material. Have you substaintiated a single accusation against me? It hurt my feelings. Im sure in the interest of a professed fairness, your having overlooked the following comments from the Pro-White folks was merely an oversight, no? John 6 No, that belongs to the one who thinks Germans are a race. My answer is above and didnt evade anything. (Of course, in that time, I did some theological reflection, and the doctrine developed into a more fully rounded & Biblical set of teachings. Speaking of CHEAP DEBATE TACTICS TO AVOID THE REAL ISSUES, you seem to OVERLOOK the fact that it is JAMES WHITE resorting to CHEAP DEBATE TACTICS TO AVOID THE REAL ISSUES, but I guess THATS OKAY, huh???? . Road Trip Dividing Line from Texas: Special Revelation, Natural Revelation, and Some Inseparable Operations posted by James White on February 23rd, 2023. aomin.org. While you believe that they would have taken to transubstantiation, I believe that they would have believed in Sola Scriptura. No human can recall *everything. [21][22][23][24], White has written multiple books critical of Roman Catholic theology, including the books; The Roman Catholic Controversy, Mary: Another Redeemer? He always claimed that eschatology wasn't his strong suit, but he still went at Ken Gentry once in a back forth online discussion about Amill vs. Postmill. It was a nonsense response to your nonsense comment. I have noticed that White has been especially hysterical about the Beckwith situation. Example one listed above. Im disappointed. Satanic counterfeit Bible versions also I, on the other hand, being only a child, & having espied a naked man in the middle of the highway, am unafraid to say, once again: The Emperor is as naked as a jaybird! We dont want to go there again. If anyone wants to discuss the matter of the humor in Dr. Whites picture in a serious and polite manner, please, feel free to e-mail me. They died long ago, so they dont know anything. In response to the unbeliever I would say it was all God, through man. Do You Really Believe and Practice Sola Scriptura? 2]Cherish and love the Holy Scriptures, being careful to not impose your theological structures upon its message. Since the Witnesses are heading back out and going door to door, lets be ready! Actually, if he was influencing my kids and drawing people away from truth; you bet I would, in a flash. In fact, I got a chuckle out of them. That sounded so much like the playground nyahh, nyahh, same to you! that I actually laughed out loud. 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The Book of Nathan the Prophet[6] Incidentally, there are protestant abuses, true, but these were uniformly folk who had absorbed the sacralist/jihadist template uncritically from Rome. Clearly, some of us do misunderstand it, as there are many different understandings of Holy Scripture. In short, right here is where it is clearly established that canon is not a product of tradition, but a product of divine revelation. It is a bit off-topic, I know. [9], White served as an elder of Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church in Phoenix, Arizona, from 1998 until 2018. Soon as White says Look, Im sorry Ill be cool with im. 18:18) The second hole is that your comment was in no way a response to mine. Its also an example of what I see as a sense of entitlement. As I already stated, I assumed the url was their doing, because any able-minded, reasonable person would firgure that a url naturally belongs to the site it displays. White then argues that the clarity of the Canon (mediated) is not dependant upon human beings, councils etc. I dont have to post a point-by-point case on James Whites innocence in the Beckwith debate because that has absolutely nothing to do with Jimmy Akin and 20 Roman Catholic fanbois getting their toes stepped on via a couple of pictures that accurately display their childish, hypocritical attitudes. PS- A. If you want discussion on the real issues, cut the drama. Arent you guys going to protest regarding THE DECEPTION by White & Co. as you did when you originally accused Catholic Answers!? Admin ID:DI_471115 What a pointless waste of time. It seems to me that White lacks good judgment, a virtue that I learned from the Philosopher as well as Scripture. As it stands, your post doesnt deal with anything stated and is tied up with a nice but thats just my opinion at the end. Heck, I am part of it for even commenting but its like the accident on the side of the road, you know, the one where you cant help but stare :(. The fact that Akin and his crew played into their hands just reinforces their predictability. Catholics werent compared to terrorists as I understand it. To continue to address your White quotations: Which beatitude says Blessed are you who hold a debt and refuse mercy until the debtor first repays in full? Any further discussion will have to wait as Im heading to bed soon. Had you been truly a fair-minded individual, you would consider ALL of the evidence and not merely this post Also, the pictures appear to liken those Muslims rallying against Rushdie with blind zeal, who had probably never read anything by him, with those here and other places who rally against White with that same blind zeal, yet have never read a paragraph by him. I understand that most likely this is complete tripe but one still wonders. Let me get this straight, J: Whites devoutly stupid photoshop isnt ever going to get remotely similar treatment from his defenders. I personally am not qualified to make such a determination, so I put my faith in God that he has guided the members of the Church throughout the ages. How do we know what decisions were made at it? If you pass judgement on me because I havnt gone along with a happy-go-lucky attitude the whole time then guilty as charged. nor anything disagreeing with T.U.L.I.P. Everybody spends his time responding to criticism or disagreement with personal insults and making fun of the apologist on the other side. As Ive stated previously: In simple words, Dr. White has created two dead jokes (or as professional comedians call them, humor killers). John, I guess youll need to ask him yourself whether its about the win. We deserve it! But please, in both, show love. But what about us? 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